Mariam has been battling thrush for a month or so. I have half-heartedly dealt with it over the weeks, treating only the rash that it produced. The rash and a white tongue were her only manifestations. She had none of the spots in the mouth that one usually associates with oral thrush.
This weekend the yeast must have partied. I would like to be in denial that there is any connection between the Great Yeast Anarchy and the peanut m & m’s I inhaled…but indeed, my sugar intake as a nursing mother is probably the huge culprit. This thrush HAD to be dealt with, no question about it. I awoke IN PAIN, and Mariam had a rash that was covered with white, sticky ooze. Her skin was peeling! Misery for baby AND Mom.
Now, less than 36 hours later, we are both doing very well – and are on the quick path to being symptom free. Here’s the protocol we followed – in the hopes that this will help someone else.
With babies past, I have used Gentian Violet. If you aren’t familiar with it, here’s what Wiki says. I find it effective, but messy. It stains the baby’s face purple – not to mention EVERYTHING that comes into contact with it.
I was out of Gentian Violet, and it is not easy to find in stores where I now live. I called every pharmacy I could find – no go. It can still be bought on-line.
Yes, I could have called my doctor to ask for help, but it was a weekend. I did not want to use Nystatin, which is usually the first line of defense prescribed. It does not usually work for me. Nystatin contains some form of sugar to make it palatable to the infant. Sugar feeds yeast, a possible reason it doesn’t always work so well. The next suggestion is usually a second round of Nystatin. Sigh. Takes so long, when you know it isn’t going to work anyway! The third suggestion seems to be Diflucan. Diflucan is thought to be hard on the liver, so I did not want to use that, either. Diflucan may help more with a systemic yeast overgrowth, but at what price? If you are struggling physically to maintain health already, taxation of the liver seems risky business. Personally, I am overall healthy – but it is only by working hard at it and striving to maintain balance. It doesn’t take much to throw me into imbalance and poor health. Thus, I wanted a natural treatment….one that didn’t take a week to work!
I decided to try out Grapefruit Seed Extract as a main treatment option. Here’s what I did:
- mixed 20 drops of GSE into one ounce of water.
- rinsed the diaper area with each diaper change
- did not allow the diaper to stay wet. As soon as it was wet, she was rinsed and dried.
- re-applied the GSE mix and dried the diaper area with a hair dryer set on low. (Since yeast thrives in wet/moist climates, the dry heat was a further inhibitor.)
- I next applied a powder that contained only cornstarch and calendula. Calendula is one of those natural, super-skin healers. A good friend gave me this powder – I was so thankful to have it on hand! It really seemed to help dry up the nasty goop.
- I swabbed her mouth with a Q-tip dipped in the GSE and water mix. I did this every time following a nursing on one side and subsequent diaper change. She did not like it – but I could nurse her and comfort her quickly afterward.
- Before I nursed her, however, I dipped my finger in some acidophilus and rubbed that on her tongue. (I should mention that I washed my hands, very well, in between each of these steps, so as to not cause re-infection.) This is to build up the good bacteria in her intestines, to help them fight the imbalance that caused the yeast in the first place.
It doesn’t stop with treating baby, however. Mom needs to be treated too. None of these steps are fun when you are hurting yourself, and trying to nurse the little one. If you have help, take it! If you don’t, then forge ahead the best that you can, knowing that relief is right around the corner.
Here’s what I did for me:
- Following every feeding, I applied the GSE to myself as well – right where she nurses. (How’s that for eluding spam triggers?) After it was applied, I again used the hair dryer to apply heat and dry it up. I tried to keep everything really dry, really clean. No wet nursing pads – they just allow the thrush to breed.
- Cut out the sugar. For real. There’s no motivator like aching throbbing pain that won’t even allow you to lift your arms! Thrush in the milk ducts is NOT fun! Goodbye to the lovely m & ms. Goodbye to the pumpkin pie my mama baked, with cool whip on top.
- “Hello” to things that will help your body to maintain the proper ph level. I am drinking lots of liquid chlorophyll and teas.
- I am taking GSE in tablet form – 250 mgs. three times a day to kill off those yeastie beasties!
- Also, I’m taking acidophilus. I could eat more plain unsweetened yogurt – but I don’t have any made up.
- I’m washing all towels and cloths and diapers with about 20 drops of GSE for now, until this invader is gone!
Yes, all of these things are time consuming. Illness is a time waster, but in less than 24 hours I was back to running my energetic household. The baby’s rash is almost all gone. She looks great. She has gone from a rash that literally peeled skin off to smooth, baby skin in such short order! Amazing! I will continue with these treatments for a week to truly get rid of it all – but will apply them in decreasing amounts as needed.
If you have any experience with the yeast monster and babies, please feel free to throw your comments into the ring! We can all benefit….
January 15, 2008 at 4:07 am |
Having dealt with thrush with all three kids AND severe Candida in my self AND all three kids (two years of sugar free diet plus lots of acidopholis/bentonite/olive oil/psylium. It worked but it was a rough few years.
How I wish I had known about yeast issues when they were younger–if IU had illimianted the sugar/yeast issues then I probably wouldn’t have had to do deal with it later.
January 15, 2008 at 5:17 am |
Ugh!!! I actually had to have a pharmacy special order GV for me this last go around!
January 15, 2008 at 5:29 am |
Oh Heather, there is SO much you could teach me!
Keer – one pharmacy I went to couldn’t even order it! I thought that was crazy, because I can get if off Amazon myself!
January 15, 2008 at 5:43 am |
Oh I wish I knew this for my first child ten years ago. We ended up going the gentian violette round because the nystatin did not work. Hey, I came down with the flu. Do you know of any natural remedies for that. I am not vomiting unless i cough too hard, but achy, feverish, bad sore through, congested, and cough. I know there are not many otc drugs that are helpful. I am having to take tylenol and advil but they don’t seem to be working to well on the pain of the throat. I am using thieves oil and puting vicks on the bottom of my feet with socks on. It’s been 2 1/2 days and hope to see an end in sight. Thanks,
Susan
January 15, 2008 at 5:57 am |
Ick! I hate thrush! I have had to deal with it Elena has well.
One way of “treating” yourself that I have found very helpful as well, is making a solution of vinegar in water (I have read everything from straight vinegar to diluting to one fourth) and applying that. Vineger and thrush can’t live together!
Coconut oil, extra virgin, high quality, can also be applied afterwards as well. You can eat the coconut oil to not only boost your immune system, but also help fight the yeasties (it has anti-fungal properties). It’s good to take when you are nursing anyway because it increases the lactic acid in your milk. Coconut oil was often used in baby formula’s for a long time, so it should be perfectly safe for your baby to have off of.. er…. you (trying to avoid naming certain parts of the body here *wink*)
I hope that you and Miriam are feeling better soon! I am also off of sugar right now. It’s sad.
Thank you so much for sharing what has been working for you, I may need to try it at sometime.
January 15, 2008 at 6:12 am |
An ENT treated my outer ear infection with gentian violet. It worked very well. How’s that for a mainstream doc using “alternative medicine?” He actually said it was an old remedy not often used anymore but that it works well if you can stand the purple staining. My poor pillows.
January 15, 2008 at 7:16 am |
Thank you! Thank you! I’ve printed it off for future reference. I wish I would have known these things before…
January 15, 2008 at 8:22 am |
My grandmother taught me to use baking soda paste to kill yeast in the babe’s mouth and cornstarch on the bottom. Cut out sugar, flood yourself with water and eat yogurt and acidophilus. Worked for me! Your ideas are probably more scientific and natural, but I had to use what I had on hand.
~Leah
January 15, 2008 at 9:42 am |
Leah, that is so neat! So simple, really. (Why have you not told me this before…????)
(Grin!) The water, yogurt, etc, are the same – and the cornstarch too – but I did not know about the baking soda!
Sara – that’s pretty amazing! GV has a wider usage than I realized.
Kimi – I used a little coconut oil, too at different times. What a wonderful healer and skin softener!
Susan – I would think that Thieves would be very good. You can put it in a carrier oil (olive or something like that) and put it on your chest, too. That might help. Lots of water, rest…So sorry to hear that you are ill!!!!!
January 15, 2008 at 11:41 am |
This is great to know and pass along! I actually have GSE on hand too! I am curious, with the Acidophilus, do you just open a capsule and use that powder on your finger for her mouth? I’m so glad it worked and so quickly for you both…
I too, could learn a lot from Heather…I’m dying to figure out a good Candida cleanse for everybody around here.
Also thought Susan’s mention of Vick’s on feet was coincidental, as I just posted about it on my blog!
Have any of you heard of Monolaurin? My chiropractor says it’s the best kept secret for fighting off germs, and it works great in conjunction with echinaccea. I’ve only tried it once so far, and I’m sold. :O)
January 15, 2008 at 12:01 pm |
Holls – I saved this whole post for later, I’m sure I’ll need it. Care to share a little info on increasing one’s milk supply? The last three evenings I’ve had to give Christian a bottle because I’m totally out and he’s still hungry (there’s nothing more pitiful than a frustrated baby). I think it’s just that I’m so run down by that point in the evening – just a couple of hours later everything is fine again. I sure would appreciate your thoughts when you have time. Thanks, shug!
January 15, 2008 at 2:28 pm |
yep I had the same thing with my 3 children when they were babies, I got so desperate I fed them little tiny bits of acidopholus yoghurt and it worked a treat – got rid of the thrush completely!
January 15, 2008 at 3:42 pm |
Hi Holly,
I have suffered from thrush on ME on and off since Elijah was born (he’ll be 1 in Feb.). I just have it, um, right where he nurses – not actually IN the milk ducts (at least it’s never felt that way). It is just horribly ichy – red, peely skin – that radiates heat.
Amazingly, Elijah has only had two times when he seemed to be affected. Both times he had the usual white spots in his mouth – no diaper area rash. He responded well to Nystatin. The doc gave me a Nystatin cream, a very thick cream. When I am consistant with it, it works fine – but if I stop for a few days, it comes right back.
We just began a new stage in our eating around here – a healthy way!! This will dramatically cut down on the sugar I am consuming – so hopefully that will help. I have also started on some acidophilus pills. I had just kind of accepted that this was the way things were going to be around here until Elijah was done nursing – but now I’m beginning to think there may be other options.
Thank you so much for posting this~
Lori
January 15, 2008 at 3:45 pm |
**oh, the Nystatin cream was for ME – Elijah had had the regular ol’ drops. Those didn’t work at all for me – but the heavy cream really does help. Just wanted to clarify that.
~Lori
January 15, 2008 at 11:18 pm |
Ooh, thrush sounds awful! Never knew there was a connection with sugar. I’ll eat some M&M’s in commemoration of ya, Holly!
Love reading all these creative, great ideas…
January 16, 2008 at 10:07 am |
What great advice! I never suffered any type of infection with my 3 good nursers, though I also never was able to produce sufficiently past 9 months (and twice, only to 6).
Maybe someday the Lord will have given me a reason to bookmark this post!
January 29, 2008 at 7:14 am |
I too am curious about the acidophilus … I found a site that reviews a lot of different brands of acidophilus, but most appear to be capsules … is there any danger of giving too much?
http://www.nutritionaltree.com/search.aspx?search_terms=acidophilus